Scooby - thanks for the warning, but stopped having nightmares after I stopped going to KH. Used to have full body involved nightmares, where it felt like someone was on top of me smothering me. I would wake up screaming in the night...scared the tar out of my husband. They happened regularly from the time I started regularly attending meetings at age 10, until a year after I stopped going. I've been to this Shaman before, she is a friend of mind since before she became a Shaman. I have not been 'visited by what is bad in the night.' She is very careful to make sure we bring positive energy in after we expell the negative. Mostly she uses guided imagery, it's not the free floating 'empty your mind' kind of stuff...I am in control of my thoughts the entire time. But thank you for your concern!
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So what one thing INTERESTING happened to you in the last 24 hours.....
by ScoobySnax inok freeze frame today.......out of all the interactions with others and goings-on, was there anything remotely interesting that happened to you today?
today is probably a typical day, in your probable and predictable all too short life.... this 24 hours was probably similar to yesterday and maybe similar to tommorow.
but i want to know what was the most interesting thing that happened personally to you.
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So what one thing INTERESTING happened to you in the last 24 hours.....
by ScoobySnax inok freeze frame today.......out of all the interactions with others and goings-on, was there anything remotely interesting that happened to you today?
today is probably a typical day, in your probable and predictable all too short life.... this 24 hours was probably similar to yesterday and maybe similar to tommorow.
but i want to know what was the most interesting thing that happened personally to you.
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Mulan -
Be careful! It might kill him! He has been "don't ask, don't tell about our 'spiritual' condition." Altho my sis (who hasn't spoken to me for a couple of weeks since she had a big blow up with our oldest daughter about JW matters) tells me Dad tells her that Rocky is evil and is leading me and the girls astray! LOL
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So what one thing INTERESTING happened to you in the last 24 hours.....
by ScoobySnax inok freeze frame today.......out of all the interactions with others and goings-on, was there anything remotely interesting that happened to you today?
today is probably a typical day, in your probable and predictable all too short life.... this 24 hours was probably similar to yesterday and maybe similar to tommorow.
but i want to know what was the most interesting thing that happened personally to you.
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Just came back from a healing circle, led by a Shaman. I feel absolutely wonderfull - got a lot of negative stuff out of my system.
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Say Something Only A Jehovah's Witness Would Say
by minimus ini'll start.
"at least i know god's name is jehovah!
".......any others?
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Said by my sister regarding the brother of a friend who did not become a JW: "He knows it's the truth, he just isn't doing anything about it right now." (I really think my sister is part ostrich, and has her head buried deep in the ground...she can't prove it's the 'truth'!)
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WHY are there no mentally challenged new JW's...?
by Rabbit ini was wondering -- why so many churches (even with all there own faults) seem to have social programs, where they help support the poor, and homeless?
many -- welcome mentally slow or retarded people into their churchs...why not witnesses?
i once got an answer that, "jehovah knows their hearts and will keep them safe in the end.
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Rabbit and Avishai,
My heart goes to you. Epilepsy and seizure disorders aren't the most convenient to adjust to, since the seizures are unpredictable and happen at the most inopportune times (not that there is an optimum time to have a seizure). My mother-in-law has had a seizure disorder for more than 20 years. I was a new bride, living across the yard from her when she had her first seizure...rode with her in the ambulance to the hospital and stayed with her afterwards. It is frightening, not just for the person, but for those around. People are afraid of what they don't understand...and most people don't take the time out of their busy lives to understand such things as disabilities, including epilepsy and seizure disorders. "and that's all I got to say about that!"
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How old were you when you left?
by somebodylovesme ini only know a handful of witnesses, but i do know several ex-witnesses.
all of them left in their late teens, which (as i've read here) is pretty common.
i know there are a lot of people here who left later in life.
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Started going to meetings, age 5
Pioneers started studying with family, age 8.
Started ministry school, age 11.
Baptized, age 14.
Quit going - cold turkey - age 41.
Mr Rocky was born in it, baptized at 18, applied to Bethel but had to turn it down because of family obligations. He also quit, cold turkey, age 43.
Our children, college age, never got baptized. They were in high school when we quit, ages 13 and 14. They left with us. However, Mr R's mother, brother and his family, my sis and her husband, and brother and his family, my mom and dad, are all very much still in.
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WHY are there no mentally challenged new JW's...?
by Rabbit ini was wondering -- why so many churches (even with all there own faults) seem to have social programs, where they help support the poor, and homeless?
many -- welcome mentally slow or retarded people into their churchs...why not witnesses?
i once got an answer that, "jehovah knows their hearts and will keep them safe in the end.
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Rabbit,
For what it's worth, I don't think forgetmenot was trying to hijack the thread into a discussion on political correctness..I think she was trying to indicate that focusing on the person and what their needs/desires are is important. We all just got hung up on the terminology. There have been some excellent points made about WT's behavior towards what might be considered the needier persons of society. WT can't function as a sales organization if they are too busy taking care of the lame, mamed, and broken hearted...somewhere in time they lost sight Jesus' ministry of helping the down trodden, oppressed, and lowly. And maybe that is where forgetmenot is coming from. If you spend any time in the Borg and had any kind of compassion you could get real testy if the underdogs of society are oppressed even more, even if it is in words. (And I don't say that to imply that you do not have compassion, because I think you do or you wouldn't have posted this topic.)
Respectfully, Mrs Rocky
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WHY are there no mentally challenged new JW's...?
by Rabbit ini was wondering -- why so many churches (even with all there own faults) seem to have social programs, where they help support the poor, and homeless?
many -- welcome mentally slow or retarded people into their churchs...why not witnesses?
i once got an answer that, "jehovah knows their hearts and will keep them safe in the end.
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I am going to hold to my opinion of respect being underdone. Disagreements about terminology, politically correct or not, start wars, which is not my intention.
Focusing on getting to know people ("the person") is more important than trying to figure out pc terminology. I think the original question posed by Rabbit was to pose a thought about how the WT community does not really make an effort to know the person, especially those who are mentally challenged. Just as Rabbit mentioned, there are no support groups or assistance for those who are mentally challenged or their families (no formal weekend respite programs, etc.) From experience I know that persons with lower than societal average IQs are avoided by mainstream JWs.
One of the last straws for me, and one of the reasons why I chose to depart from JW company, was about this problem. I was studying with a woman who was raised as what society labeled mentally retarded. She did not have a medical diagnosis to support this label, her parents just raised her as if she were mentally retarded.. She was intelligent enough to pass the certified nursing assistance course at the local hospital. But she lacked social skills. It took us 3 years, and 3 separate pioneers, to finish the Live Forever book (don't know why the Service Overseer didn't make us stop at 1 year). She eventually was baptized. The year after she was baptized the usual announcement was made before District Convention that anyone needing assistance for convention accommodations and travel were to talk to their respective congregation book study conductor. No one would help this woman make arrangements, not one elder. The family that ended up taking her to convention (300 miles from our congregation) was travelling in a pickup with small camper (that would be us - mom, dad, and 2 adolescent kids). The family that brought her home (because we didn't return home directly after convention) was another family travelling in a pickup with small camper (mom, dad, and 4 kids). At the same time, a younger, beautiful, financially well-off newly baptized woman with 2 small children had no problem finding rides and accommodations. People were falling all over themselves trying to help her. My own mother-in-law told me she had a problem with helping the mentally & socially challenged woman, her lack of social skills disgusted her. This woman is one of the most interesting and big hearted people I have ever met in my life...and I am sorry that I helped get her involved with WT.
Terminology prevents us from getting to know the person. We should not be afraid to get to know people who are different from ourselves. Which is why, I always return to the bottom line being respect. Having spent the last 13+ years working with behavioral health, both the mentally ill and developmentally disabled, has helped me have more respect for people in general, but especially for people who have more limitations on their minds, emotions, or bodies than the next person. I know I have limitations on my mind, emotions, and body...I am aware of my imperfections, painfully so, and try desparately not to offend others but know that I fall way short.
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WHY are there no mentally challenged new JW's...?
by Rabbit ini was wondering -- why so many churches (even with all there own faults) seem to have social programs, where they help support the poor, and homeless?
many -- welcome mentally slow or retarded people into their churchs...why not witnesses?
i once got an answer that, "jehovah knows their hearts and will keep them safe in the end.
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mrs rocky2
Politically correct has been over done, but more importantly respect has been underdone! Good point about respect forgetmenot!
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WHY are there no mentally challenged new JW's...?
by Rabbit ini was wondering -- why so many churches (even with all there own faults) seem to have social programs, where they help support the poor, and homeless?
many -- welcome mentally slow or retarded people into their churchs...why not witnesses?
i once got an answer that, "jehovah knows their hearts and will keep them safe in the end.
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Nathan: I too would not want someone with a developmental disability flying a plane I am on, but I wouldn't want some random non-trained Joe Somebody on the street flying the plane either. How many of us can fly a plane, or do neurosurgery, without many, many years of education and training? (I personally have a great deal of respect for automotive mechanics, not being mechanically gifted myself.) "Other thought processes are as valid as ours" doesn't mean that one person is suitable for the same employment as the next person. As you mentioned, the WT is filled with "high functioning" disabled people. There are differing degrees of disabilities...WT only wants to keep the productive, high functioning disabled, dysfunctional that place tons of magazines and spend life sacrificing time for the 'good of the order.'